Its in great condition, have the BSD 36 sport kit, BSD 1 meter, Pacific action sail hobie seat and two rudders. Will consider trading for or towards a Coresound 17 or equivalent boat.
Kruger Dreamcatcher BSD and PAS
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Ridgerunner
MemberI just got back from delivering the Norseboat to its new owner (from Nova Scotia!). I now have a 16.5 foor Gig Harbor Melonseed that rows like a dream (sliding seat) and has a balanced lug rig. I would have to be imaginative to store everything for an EC, but Leatherlungs is an inspiration. Not nearly as complicated as the Norseboat to rig for daysailing, which is what I do most of the time anyway. Who knows what I'll bring next year.
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Uthred
MemberTook a quick look at the melon seed - very nice! I would take something like that into the EC in a heartbeat - though the order time seems a bit long not sure I would get in enough practice time here in Canada before next march. I am a pretty light packer, I over packed on my trip through the WW last year and had loads of room left over in the DC. I had been thinking of building the dory from CLC as well but would do the 2 sail rig - I think you would get better upwind performance. But again, Leather Lungs seemed to do just fine with his.
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LeatherLungs
MemberHi Ridgerunner & Uthred,
Those Melonseeds are awesome. I just looked at one over the weekend, though it was set up for rowing only. I have read, and would tend to agree, that a sliding seat is great in fair weather, but is not too stable in foul weather. There also might be a problem with a Sail rig getting in the way with the slider. I can't speak for every boat, but both issues would hold true in my CLC Dory.
The Sloop Rig was the original sail rig designed for the Northeaster Dory, though I understand the Lug Rig is gaining popularity. I chose it for simplicity - 1 sail = 1 sheet, halyard, etc, and the mast is unstayed allowing it to be unstepped while underway.
The Sloop Rig is stayed and I think would have to be beached to untep. Also, you would have to purchase an additional kit that would allow for reducing/striking sail underway, i.e. sail track and blocks, etc. Of course reef points would have to be added also.
Doug Higgins, my shore contact for EC2012, built a dory with the Sloop rig. He and I sailed Georgian Bay last Fall together. I would say the his rig is definitely more efficient upwind and is probably a little faster, but the sail areas are the same.
My biggest problem with EC2012 was not being able to point as high as I would've liked, as is apparent if you look at all the zig-zagging on Tracking Map.
As we all know, everything on a sailboat is a trade off!
Neil
Posted 1 year ago # -
Uthred
MemberGood point about the sliding seat and the weather. I had been looking at the CL 16 but it does not seem to be ideal for rowing, great on all other aspects though.. Just would not be able to do much without wind. Not sure what the larger cats do in that situation? If I do not sell the DC I might look at doing the scooner rig from BSD. I am pretty sure I would need different amas for that though.
What ever I do I want to do it now, I know the CLC boats are supposed to be easy to build but I am not sure I want to put the time in, sure I would love it if I did. How long did yours take Neil? Where did you get the float bags?
Paul / Uthred
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CrazyRussian
MemberUthred wrote:
Not sure what the larger cats do in that situation?
With a proper setup, cats are easy to row. I had a privilege to row BlackSun’s Norseboat 17 quite a bit during last year’s ToM Challenge. It was more difficult and tiring than rowing my inflatable catamaran. I rowed my wooden A-cat OK, albeit I didn’t test the setup prior to EC and I had to improve the things on a fly. :) Vanman rowed his Hobie 21 Sports Cruiser, heavy 600 lbs + boat, in Lake Michigan Challenge. RowABrick figured out how to propel Hobie 16 with oars. It takes time and some trails to get a sit, oarlocks placement and an oar’s length just right. It took me 2 EC to get it right on my inflatable. However, after all parts fell in place, cats become quite enjoyable to row. Of course if there is no wind. No way to propel it upwind, to much drag. But why would you row if there is a wind? Well, unless you are in Florida Bay…
Posted 1 year ago # -
Ridgerunner
MemberMelonseed setup
LeatherLungs wrote:
Those Melonseeds are awesome. I just looked at one over the weekend, though it was set up for rowing only. I have read, and would tend to agree, that a sliding seat is great in fair weather, but is not too stable in foul weather. There also might be a problem with a Sail rig getting in the way with the slider. I can't speak for every boat, but both issues would hold true in my CLC Dory.
I have been rowing the Melonseed with the adjustable topping lift high and reef lines holding the sail/yard bundle together (yards are carbon with wooden ends) and the adjustable sheet attachment moved aft. Dropping in two pins converts the sliding seat into a fixed seat (useful for coming into docks and in crowded mooring fields). She's essentially the hull of their Jersey Skiff (a very seaworthyy boat meant to launch through chop off of beaches) with one board removed to make for easier rowing. I get some spray going upwind in chop, and I would add a small dodger if I was in the EC (it sure made the Core Sound drier!).
Vlad, it rows a lot easier than the Norseboat.
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LeatherLungs
MemberUthred wrote:
How long did yours take Neil? Where did you get the float bags?
I cheated and took a class in their Annapolis workshop. 6 days and the tricky stuff was done (complete hull). I spent 2.5 months on the finish, custom inwales and sail rig in my backyard. Some like a furniture finish, others settle for a workboat. Mine was somewhere in the middle.
What part of Canada are you living in? there's a class in Maine in June:
Build Your Own Northeaster Dory
Jun 3, 2012 - Jun 9, 2012
WoodenBoat School - Brooklin, MaineI got the float bags from NRS .
Ridgerunner wrote:
Melonseed setup
The Melonseed I looked at was set up for tandem sliding seat rowing. Reading RR's post and checking out the GHB website , it seems like it would be a great boat for an EC
Posted 1 year ago # -
Uthred
MemberI wanted to do the class a few times, I photograph weddings for a living - usually every Saturday. I tried a few years to get them to give me future dates so I do not book them but they could not, I am working the 2nd and the 9th - I am in Southern Ontario about 1 hour west of Toronto. I have been to the school before I think it took me about 12 hours to drive there. I might give it a go regardless :)
Posted 1 year ago # -
GreyBeard
MemberRidgerunner wrote:
I just got back from delivering the Norseboat to its new owner (from Nova Scotia!). I now have a 16.5 foor Gig Harbor Melonseed that rows like a dream (sliding seat) and has a balanced lug rig. I would have to be imaginative to store everything for an EC, but Leatherlungs is an inspiration. Not nearly as complicated as the Norseboat to rig for daysailing, which is what I do most of the time anyway. Who knows what I'll bring next year.
Doug, you do not mention owning a Core Sound. Anything I missed here?
Michael
Posted 1 year ago # -
Ridgerunner
MemberMichael, I haven't started work on the Core Sound yet, but it is in the gaage. I am thinking about tabernackles and cabins. As we mentioned before, the Core Slound 20 is too much to rig for solo daysailing. That was the main problem with the Norseboat.
The melonseed is very easy to rig, plous she rows like a dream. It might be the boat I would pick for a solo EC.
Right now packing for a trip on the Buffalo with a bunch of Kruger nuts. I'm even dusting off the old ultralight spinning rod for the smallmouths.
Posted 1 year ago # -
BlackSun
MemberRR is referring to the Buffalo River in Arkansas and not Buffalo, NY.
If you get your sailboat before mid June . . . Mishigama and I will be sailing for a week in the North Channel (your waters) from the 15th thru the 22nd in his Sea Pearl and my Norseboat. Launching Blind River. If interested, email me off-forum.
BlackSun
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Uthred
MemberI would truly love to head up there, I might be able to do it for a few days, I have a job on the Sunday and another on the Friday - pretty tight - as for the boat.. I think I found a finished NE CLC Dory - would just need to ad the sail rig other than that its done and ready to go. Good price too. I cant figure out how to email from this new site? I know there was a member contact on the old one.
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