When I was still a pre teen, my father taught me how to sail at night and the dangers and how to mitigate them. Means and methods have changed from those days but not the danger. What are your methods, tricks and rules?
Danger, Hints, Tricks, of Night Sailing.
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NorthernLight
MemberThe squirrels are not real.
Also, we find that between approximatly 0100 and 0500 we do dumb things and make bad decisions. The big change we made between our DNF in 2011 and our finish in 2012 was to be off the water during those hours regardless of where we were on the course. We are fortunate to have a boat that allows us to do that, but I do think this is the reason to choose an "expedition worthy" craft. You never know when you'll have to spend some time communing with those croc-a-gators.
Also, Macatawa is a detail oriented navigator with several route choices and "don't go here" areas well marked on chart and GPS. I tell him his secret guide to camp spots could make him his millions someday.
Ditto to having a good bright light and knowing where the batteries are and a favorite warm hat.
Posted 7 years ago # -
MisterMoon
MemberNight sailing is one of my favorite parts of these challenges. It's often wonderful except for those moments of terror that can come up unexpectedly.
1) Change into your warm clothes and foulies before dark. As soon as the sun goes down, you will get heavy condensation on every surface including your clothes. Because of all this dampness, it will seem a lot colder than it really is. I have frozen my tail off in 62 degrees at night in the EC.
2) Check the weather before it gets dark. Better not to have surprise front in the middle of the night. Reef if necessary. Review your plans A, B, and C in case it gets rough.
3) have a couple of headlamps ready to go. Have a strong flashlight or spotlight ready to go. Find the unlit markers on your chart before you run into them as they are hard on your sails.
4) Boil some water, have hot drinks ready to go. Eat a good supper before dark. Put some snacks in your pockets for later.
5) New batteries in the GPS. Know what is the compass course to your next waypoint. If there are stars, pick out one that corresponds to your compass course and steer toward it. The stars move over time, so you should recheck every 20-30 minutes and adjust as necessary.
6) Tidy up the boat. Tie down or stow loose gear you got out during the day.
7) Stay alert. One thing I find that helps keep me from dozing is to chew gum or suck on hard candy.
Posted 7 years ago # -
BeastOarman
MemberGreat thread, I have learned to love nighttime on the water as a direct result of practicing for Challenges.
I am much more cautious about conditions in the dark, obviously, and would not intentionally go out in slop. In 2013 when it got nasty day 2 as the sun was setting at Sanibel, I headed inside and took the longer route. In 2014 going outside after Choko, I was sure to have some ditch campsites for my nighttime trek to Ponce de Leon.
As for tips, I have no problem staying awake until about 3 or so. Probably the excitement. At that point, I need something - instant Starbucks in cold water sufficed just fine. Like MM, lots of snacks within reach - crossing Florida Bay via Dragover is a long time with no place to stop for dinner.
Another thing that bailed me out is my iPad. Got a bit disoriented once, and being able to see my position in the context of a larger map than the GPS was a big help.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Badger
MemberBeastOarman wrote:
Another thing that bailed me out is my iPad. Got a bit disoriented once, and being able to see my position in the context of a larger map than the GPS was a big help.
You should just do what Corsair and I did during last year's OFUM... schedule a fire on a nearby major landmark so the lights of the fire trucks can guide you home!
Posted 7 years ago # -
Karank
MemberLots of good information in above. One of the things thats that still create confusion.... for me... is approaching a populated area with a lots of lights.... thousands of unknown lights all over the horizon. You can not tell if they are moving or important or just street lights or a big boat about to run over you or how far away they are? I feel panic. What I have to remind myself is that with some time and less distance, whether they are moving or not in relation to the others will eventually define what and how far, they are. I am not going to say stand up in a small boat but a little altitude will quickly define which ones are close and need to be watched more carefullly. Two classifications of light are more of a threat... moving fast, and or getting closer and brighter. Then colors rise in importance. A moving Red or Green are really important and should be watched closely where they are moving. A Red & Green side by side not moving and getting really close identifies panic time. Scream like a baby and take a big breath! I will not say shine the brightest light you have in their eyes but that is exactly what I will and have done. That is the only way to get through the Champagne bottle.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Cwolfe
MemberOne of the nighttime illusions is distance. The big tall buildings along the coast can appear quite close at night. I found my elf paddling several miles off shore.... far further than was necessary.
The other nightime phenomenon that is exacerbated by sleep deprivation isthat of relative motion. Paddling on the outside route of the Everglades at night without good points of reference has given me the illusion that I am paddling in place or the illusion of going backwards while in perfectly calm water. Definitely disturbing sensation but once you start to come to grips with it the experience can be a little entertaining. Definitely a trip into the weirdness of the mind. A little delerium training.
Cwolfe
Posted 7 years ago # -
ZeroTheHero
Memberinteresting thread.
I grew up sailing big boats all over the upper east coast. From CT to Newfoundland. Lots of night passages. I guess I am used to it but I still get the willies just before a challenge. Small boats face different issues. In the '13 race GreenMountainGal and I avoided night sailing as much as possible, but we did do a little. Mostly down off the Everglades. Down there there isn't much to hit and the glow of Miami makes a horizon.
In '14 Per and went all night. We left CP1 in the dark and I'll tell ya getting back to the open gul was no picnic. Almost ran into shore twice. Add in a few power boats and a bit of current and it was tough. Then out in the Gulf we just put the hammer down and sailed. Crossing outside of Gasparilla was lumpy and very interesting. I went about 3 mile off shore and was still inside the outer markers when I decided to turn more south and get across.
So what are my tricks.
First, I do everything MisterMoon said. He was my unofficial coach before the '13 event and everything he said is true. I followed all his points religiously and they never let me down. go back up to his post and put it all to heart.
Another trick I do is I put the gps, in it's waterproof bag with lanyard, around my neck. I turn the screen brightness bown a bit so it isn't blinding. In places where it is busy and there are lots of issues I may check it as often as every minute. I use it like a chartplotter. I also keep a very keen eye out. If there are lights reflecting on the water I try to use that to my advantage. I look for objects, wind ripples, wake/waves in those reflections.
I avoid using the flashlight if at all possible. I have a red lense on my head lamp and use that if at all. Red doesn't kill your night vision. Our family boat had a red setting on every interior light. Green is no good, red is what you need. I don't flash light up the mast to check sails much at all. I go by speed. In the lightning we were doing 6ish knots through the water a night and that was just fine. So what if the backstay needed a bit more to give us another 1/16 of a knot? Vision is much better overall. Both boats I sailed had bow lights. They reflect off the water out a few feet in front. Doesn't give you loads of time at speed but at a very minimum I could see the next wave a sec or 2 before it hit. I like off shore if possible. Less people, less debris, cleaner view.
Two other quick things.
1. I have an ace in the hole I have never used on a Challenge but I am going to play with it this summer. I have an old Soviet night vision scope. It is crap for fine work, but going into or out a pass I think it might be great.
2. Home depot is selling a thremal camera for an iphone. it's $250 bucks and I am tempted to go for it. It can't be used with a waterproof case like a Lifeproof, but the phone could be in a bag. I wonder if it would pick up pilings, sand, etc. from leftover heat from the day.
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Or you could get the Flir scope, but at $2,000 I think it's out of the budget.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Karank
MemberCoastie, thank you for your service and generosity. The only night light sources on a CG Ship at night... is RED. Now for something that was very important to my Father that I can "not" recomend but it was very important to him. "Night Vision" takes a long time to gain or recover.... hours to some degree... so that any light source will interfere and reduce it, instantly. Even red light will significantly diminish that "night sight". He learned the water in the 20's when Edison was still a boy (ha) and very little artifical light was around except in Cities. He would not allow light, any light, when loading and preparing to go out on the water. That gave us an almost daylight vision even with no moon. He would only turn on running lights when someone was approaching or when he lost that "night vision". Now half of the things on our boats have a light source. Keep it in mind when you pass Cape Romano... but obey the law and survive. Yeah, I love my gps and must look at it but I know that I will not see as well again for 30 min. or more.
Posted 7 years ago # -
seabag
MemberI like the GPS but kind of use it like a snorkel. pop it on from time to time. Been using a lighted compass, various ways of subdued lighting for some of the kayak compasses ranging from a small red cylume under it to an led with a waterproof battery container, or the seattle sports compass with a built in light. You can use something as dim as a cylume to look at your chart. You only need the gps once an hour or so if you are off shore. It would be harder in the thousand islands.
I carry a big waterproof flashlight, one of those pelicans to get people's attention. If I have to use my head lamp the night vision is indeed toast for a while.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Coastie
MemberThis year we were very fortunate to have a full moon or close to it. It makes a world of difference during our night time transit. I got excited 6 months ago when I checked the lunar phase calendar, and realized we would be sailing with the moon this year!
In our Coastie and ClamCounter trip report we mentioned the effect of sleep, or lack of sleep. This year we successfully identified the "uncharted red light" that we tacked around for several hours last year. We had been sailing for 48 or so hours. This year we were only up for 24 or so hours. The mysterious light was a red light marking power lines.....5 miles away...on the shoreline of the Keys:)
With a two man team, it certainly is easier in the ICW at night. ClamCounter (who can see better on little electronic things) follows the Garmin GPS, and I follow the standard old waterproof paper charts. We have a West Marine spot light, but I prefer the old standard long mag light for identifying unlit day boards. But as mentioned previously....night vision will be trashed in a moment by the light....so I ensure ClamCounter (who is the real sailboat expert on the tiller) knows when, or if, I turn it on.
Our headlamps, in addition to white and red, have a blue lense. I try to use it (but as I said.....I can't see very well at times, so I find myself turning the white one on often to see the chart). In my later years aboard cutters, the blue light had replaced the red light at the navigation chart table and in Combat Information Center.
Reviewing your charts for navigation aids (before it gets dark) is really essential....and knowing the characteristics of the next lighted buoy/dayboard. If it is listed as flashing 4s (4 seconds), an easy way to verify is to count one thousand one, one thousand two, one thousand three, one thousand four after the light goes off...it should than flash on. Just my simple way of checking. Also ensure you know if there is a corresponding/paired "unlit" dayboard/marker. It really will ruin your day to avoid the beautiful flashing dayboard....and then crash into the unlit one.Posted 7 years ago # -
Paddling at night in a kayak can be quite sublime, and I feel one of the highlights of an EC, particularly when paddling solo.
At least we don't get too much cooler as we're still paddling hard.
For the first time this year I had a wee set of red and green nav lights looped on to the side of my boat, especially for Lemon Bay and onward past CP1. A couple of times I've had boats speeding past, and even with a headlamp on my sail or direct at them, I've been cussed at. This year a boat went past and I could hear them in the dark commenting "cool nav lights."
KB
Posted 7 years ago # -
AlexO
Member
KB could you please post a link of those lights? I did notice them on the beach but did not see them at night. I think they are just a great setup since they can be set on the side of the boat. In urban areas the white lights we are using must be useless with so many of the same on the shore. I think I did also encounter that boat going fast on Lemon Bay. Usually they go slow at night, but not this one. Alex O.Posted 7 years ago # -
Karank
MemberKB Correct, Red and Green side lights are infinitely more informative than any other lighting scheme. They provide depth perception and resolve any question about what the viewer sees. One should not leave the dock/beach without them.. LED has resolved all problems with boat lighting. You can do an entire challange without turning them off and still have lights at Key Largo. I have some Duckworks lights that will do that and have lasted several years and many uses. I just turn them on when I leave the beach. Of course I have to replace batteries...before the event... Ha
Posted 7 years ago # -
Karank
MemberKB Correct, Red and Green side lights are infinitely more informative than any other lighting scheme. They provide depth perception and resolve any question about what the viewer sees. One should not leave the dock/beach without them.. LED has resolved all problems with boat lighting. You can do an entire challange without turning them off and still have lights at Key Largo. I have some Duckworks lights that will do that and have lasted several years and many uses. I just turn them on when I leave the beach. Of course I have to replace batteries...before the event... Ha
Posted 7 years ago # -
seabag
MemberThe Brit sea kayak navigators are big on grease pencils and a white surface on which to write. I've found this really helpful at night: write out your predicted course and distances, maybe predicted turning marks or landmarks in nice big easily read letters. Flicking on the GPS becomes backup to the dimly lit compass, and the watch with luminous hands.
Posted 7 years ago # -
DonKeyHoTey
MemberGreat comments. I love sailing at night, and do a fair bit of it, as it makes me (forces me to be) much more aware of my surroundings. Even the most mundane places to sail in daytime become "interesting" ;) If sailing in urbanized areas as I usually am, here in SE FL, the myriad lights on the horizon can easily hide an approaching vessel's red&green bow lights -- assuming they are even on. So I'm hyper-vigilant, particularly in busy waterways like the ICW.
I need to remember that not only are other boats harder to see for me, but vice-versa as well. So I am constantly scanning the horizon -- including behind any sails that might be obscuring my view.
If in doubt about my visibility to an approaching vessel, I shine a light on my sails early and remain ready to shine a bright torch directly into their eyes. Of course it's hell on my night vision, but better than being turned into chum.
Comments about prepping everything before dark can't be emphasized strongly enough. It's so much harder to find or sort out something (like a knotted halyard) by feel, and turning on your flashlight for this purpose is not only a poor substitute for daylight, but also has the vision consequences, and may tie up one hand that's much needed for the task.
Finally, as ZTH commented, being able to sail by "feel" is important at night, and doing a fair amount of night-sailing enhances the ability to know when the boat is trimmed properly and powered up without having to put a light on the tell-tales -- useful even in broad daylight.
DKHT
PS: obviously I don't drink alcohol during an event like the EC, but even just casual night-sailing, I don't consume alcohol -- but do assume that the other guy is doing so.
Posted 7 years ago # -
DonKeyHoTey
MemberOne more comment: ZTH reminds me of all the night sailing I did before GPS -- and how my GPS failed me even in the last week or was effectively illegible.
Even the most familiar waters become unfamiliar at night. And distances of lights, land, vessels, etc, can be very difficult to estimate. Trying to figure out where I am on the chart when looking at a bunch of flashing lights can be damn near impossible -- so I make sure I plot my position frequently and correlate what I'm looking at on the horizon with what I see on the chart.
-DKHT
Posted 7 years ago # -
I've always loved sailing at night... set the sailplan conservatively, dress warmly, have coffee, water, and warm food prepared and ready before the sun goes down, and then - enjoy the galaxy as it unfolds above me. Honestly, I prefer night sailing over daysailing, most especially in the warmer months, when the phosphorescense fights with the stars and moon for my attention and appreciation.
But you also have to know where you are going, and really familiarize yourself with your charts, and the lights you will see at night. Even with study, Lemon Bay scrambled my brain with it's multitude of lights, both navigation, shore, and marine construction, during the 2014 Challenge*. You will NOT have accurate depth/distance perception at night, so be prepared to be confused by what you see. Follow your GPS/chartplotter/charts, but do NOT bury your head in them. Keep snacks handy, and bounce between carbs, proteins, and fats (in small proportions) until you find the right balance and tune to run with on that particular night. I also like to keep some dried wasabi peas handy - they can wake you up faster than coffee! Oh, and welcoming the sunrise with a little airline bottle of Baileys in your coffee is a welcome reward for a successful night sail. Or so I've been told...
*embarrasing full disclosure - I had pretty much ruled out the ICW route, so I did not study that run as thoroughly as I should have. Lesson learned - pick the route you least want to take, and learn it WELL!
Posted 7 years ago # -
feralcat
BlockedKiwi, what type of nav lights did you have? I'm signing up to do the James River rundown (http://www.jamesriverrundown.org/about.html) in June and nav lights are required.
Cheers, FeralCat
Posted 7 years ago # -
I've found this thread very interesting. I've taken the liberty to post most of it on my long-running (8 years) thread on the Hobie forum. The link: http://www.hobiecat.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=7276&p=251900#p251900
Keith
Posted 7 years ago # -
Karank
MemberTrying to learn more about current Night Vision thought ... It seems that the best way to preserve night vision is to have a white light that can be dimmed (to zero?) and only use the minum level necessary?
Here are some links on the subject. The third is most comprensive and understadable to me.
http://stlplaces.com/night_vision_red_myth/
Posted 7 years ago #
they become mischievous after dark! 
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