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		<title>WaterTribe Forums &#187; Topic: Sail area ?</title>
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			<title>JohnE on "Sail area ?"</title>
			<link>http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/sail-area#post-5040</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 22:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>JohnE</dc:creator>
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	I&#039;m going to start a new thread about rigging the FEKS on a Kruger since this thread is so far off of its original topic. By starting a new one that is accurately labeled it may help others who have this same question.</p>]]></description>
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			<title>slow2run on "Sail area ?"</title>
			<link>http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/sail-area#post-5037</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 17:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>slow2run</dc:creator>
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		<cite>slow2run <a href="http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/sail-area#post-5031">wrote</a>:</cite></p>
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			<cite>JohnE <a href="http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/sail-area#post-5009">wrote</a>:</cite></p>
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			Regarding mounting a FEKS to a Sea Wind:</p>
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			I&#039;m not an expert but I did just rig the 1m Flat Earth sail on my Sea Wind. I ended up mounting the mast base 205 cm from the center of the seat. I gave some thought to mounting it even a bit further forward, but decided this was a good spot considering some other rigging I have on the deck.</p>
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			I also mounted a stainless steel pad eye an each side of the boat even with the mast base for the side stays, and am using the 4 point suspension system I&#039;ve seen in other pictures rather than the 3 point system that was described in the mounting instructions that came with my sail.</p>
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			I can post some pictures if others are interested. And if others have pictures of their Sea Wind mounts I&#039;d love to see them.</p>
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			Yes JohnE, I would like to pictures?</p>
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	JohnE,what about an leeboard; Will you buy, or build, if you buy, then from who?</p>]]></description>
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			<title>slow2run on "Sail area ?"</title>
			<link>http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/sail-area#post-5036</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 17:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>slow2run</dc:creator>
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		<cite>slow2run <a href="http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/sail-area#post-5031">wrote</a>:</cite></p>
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			<cite>JohnE <a href="http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/sail-area#post-5009">wrote</a>:</cite></p>
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			Regarding mounting a FEKS to a Sea Wind:</p>
<p>
			I&#039;m not an expert but I did just rig the 1m Flat Earth sail on my Sea Wind. I ended up mounting the mast base 205 cm from the center of the seat. I gave some thought to mounting it even a bit further forward, but decided this was a good spot considering some other rigging I have on the deck.</p>
<p>
			I also mounted a stainless steel pad eye an each side of the boat even with the mast base for the side stays, and am using the 4 point suspension system I&#039;ve seen in other pictures rather than the 3 point system that was described in the mounting instructions that came with my sail.</p>
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			I can post some pictures if others are interested. And if others have pictures of their Sea Wind mounts I&#039;d love to see them.</p>
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			Yes JohnE, I would like to pictures?</p>
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	JohnE,what about an leeboard; Will you buy, or build, if you buy, then from who?</p>]]></description>
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			<title>Feks on "Sail area ?"</title>
			<link>http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/sail-area#post-5035</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 19:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Feks</dc:creator>
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	Iv just read back through this thread , and &#160;desided to coment on a few more things,&#160;</p>
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	The Kruger being a &#039;&#039;canoe &#039;&#039; rather than a kayak , with a sea kayak we are restricted by the size of the cocpit and the need to reach our rig, in partiqular the boom when its being stowed away. With a deked canoe thers a bit more room , and I emagin the ability to moove forword to stow a sail easier.&#160;</p>
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	when placing the mast position thers a cupal of things to consider, wher it sits when its stowed, and wher the boom is when its up , I like to position the mast so I get a full high angel stroke in with my paddel ,&#160;</p>
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	the positioning will influwence the sailing performance and caricteristics of the kayak /canoe , but not as much as peopal like to think, (afterall it&#039;s a canoe not a performance sailing skiff ! ) I prefer to run side stays and back stay, placing the back stay can be dificalt on an open or decked in canoe , ther are 2 options, run two backstays (4 side stays as previously mentiond ) this is good , the hard thing is geting the tention eaven on the stays. anuther way is to position the saddels asif you wher going to mount 4 stays , between 300 and 400mm behind the mast foot, then run a bridel across the back saddles and tie the back stay into the senter of this bridal , it wont mater if its abit off senterd as the side stays hold the mast position , its not sheard between the two port or two starbord stay .thid bridal can also be yoused to run your main sheet through sa well.</p>
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	hope this made sence , Im going to make up sume more u tube showing diferant idears shortly .</p>]]></description>
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			<title>Feks on "Sail area ?"</title>
			<link>http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/sail-area#post-5034</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 18:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Feks</dc:creator>
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	Good mornig, As the Kruger is a beast we dont have down hear , can sumone who has fited one of my sails to it consider puting together a set of extra fiting notes , or a short u tube of how thay fited/ modified the riging to sute ther boat , If you do pleas enclude a &#039;&#039; by &#039;&#039; line about who you are&#160;</p>
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	best regards Mick Flat Earth Kayak Sails</p>]]></description>
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			<title>slow2run on "Sail area ?"</title>
			<link>http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/sail-area#post-5031</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 15:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>slow2run</dc:creator>
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		<cite>JohnE <a href="http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/sail-area#post-5009">wrote</a>:</cite></p>
<p>
		Regarding mounting a FEKS to a Sea Wind:</p>
<p>
		I&#039;m not an expert but I did just rig the 1m Flat Earth sail on my Sea Wind. I ended up mounting the mast base 205 cm from the center of the seat. I gave some thought to mounting it even a bit further forward, but decided this was a good spot considering some other rigging I have on the deck.</p>
<p>
		I also mounted a stainless steel pad eye an each side of the boat even with the mast base for the side stays, and am using the 4 point suspension system I&#039;ve seen in other pictures rather than the 3 point system that was described in the mounting instructions that came with my sail.</p>
<p>
		I can post some pictures if others are interested. And if others have pictures of their Sea Wind mounts I&#039;d love to see them.</p>
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		Yes JohnE, I would like to pictures?</p>
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			<title>JohnE on "Sail area ?"</title>
			<link>http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/sail-area#post-5013</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 09:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>JohnE</dc:creator>
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	Hi Feks,</p>
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	That isn&#039;t my video, that&#039;s someone else. Watching the video was helpful to me when rigging mine, so I also say thanks to the person who took the time to film it and share it.</p>]]></description>
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			<title>Feks on "Sail area ?"</title>
			<link>http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/sail-area#post-5010</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 05:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Feks</dc:creator>
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	John, Is it your vidio I have on my blog, ifso thanks for producing it, runing extra side stays is OK and will work, If you wish to do this I can suply extra stays and deck butons to do the job.</p>]]></description>
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			<title>JohnE on "Sail area ?"</title>
			<link>http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/sail-area#post-5009</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 22:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>JohnE</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>
	Regarding mounting a FEKS to a Sea Wind:</p>
<p>
	I&#039;m not an expert but I did just rig the 1m Flat Earth sail on my Sea Wind. I ended up mounting the mast base 205 cm from the center of the seat. I gave some thought to mounting it even a bit further forward, but decided this was a good spot considering some other rigging I have on the deck.</p>
<p>
	I also mounted a stainless steel pad eye an each side of the boat even with the mast base for the side stays, and am using the 4 point suspension system I&#039;ve seen in other pictures rather than the 3 point system that was described in the mounting instructions that came with my sail.</p>
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	I can post some pictures if others are interested. And if others have pictures of their Sea Wind mounts I&#039;d love to see them.</p>]]></description>
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			<title>Feks on "Sail area ?"</title>
			<link>http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/sail-area#post-5008</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 18:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Feks</dc:creator>
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	Good morning, Down hear we dont have Krugers, ther is one that has had a cz100 put on it , on my blog site ther is a video . As I understand the sea wind is the deked in version , the directions for fiting youses a mesurment of 175cm from the senter of the seat forword , this is just a referance point as you may need to moove it forword or back to cleas deck hatches , fitings or cumpasses ect... I do recomend yousing the back stay as it will help in pointing a bit higher . being vertualy an open canoe you will need to modify sume of the atachment points for the job .&#160;</p>
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	thers a lot of vidio and extra info on both my blog and the web site .&#160;</p>
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	Unfortunatly I cant recall who it was that fited it to the Kruger .</p>]]></description>
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			<title>slow2run on "Sail area ?"</title>
			<link>http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/sail-area#post-5005</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 13:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>slow2run</dc:creator>
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		<cite>Feks <a href="http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/sail-area#post-4875">wrote</a>:</cite></p>
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		Good morning, hears the tecnical info on the CX100 bilt to watertribe specs&#160;</p>
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		&#160; its .99mter sqear (total arier including small ariera below the boom )</p>
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		top depth of cord 7%</p>
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		mid depth of cord 10%</p>
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		foot depth of cord 5%(mesured at boom poket )</p>
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		with 12% twist layed into the sail .</p>
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		I also make up a .8meter and a .7 meter, good sails for expoditions, the resent sercumnavigation of Australia by sea kayak yoused a .8 for the botom half and a .7 for the top half . I personaly youse the cz70 for solo trips its more forgiving, and with my light boat , 15kg with sail and emergancy kit , + 20kg of kit + 85kg of me it pushes me along well in sume good winds , but still forgiving enuf for a good safty margin on solo trips. If I ever get the chnce to get over ther for a chalange I wold definatly youse the cz100 , with its reefing down to 1/3 I think its a good alrounder for sea kayaks and the likes .&#160;</p>
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		I also make up custom sails , talk to eather Dalphin Gall or Kiwi about sails!</p></blockquote>
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	FeKs, where would mount your sail rig, on an kruger sea wind canoe?</p>]]></description>
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			<title>Feks on "Sail area ?"</title>
			<link>http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/sail-area#post-4875</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 18:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Feks</dc:creator>
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	Good morning, hears the tecnical info on the CX100 bilt to watertribe specs&#160;</p>
<p>
	&#160; its .99mter sqear (total arier including small ariera below the boom )</p>
<p>
	top depth of cord 7%</p>
<p>
	mid depth of cord 10%</p>
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	foot depth of cord 5%(mesured at boom poket )</p>
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	with 12% twist layed into the sail .</p>
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	I also make up a .8meter and a .7 meter, good sails for expoditions, the resent sercumnavigation of Australia by sea kayak yoused a .8 for the botom half and a .7 for the top half . I personaly youse the cz70 for solo trips its more forgiving, and with my light boat , 15kg with sail and emergancy kit , + 20kg of kit + 85kg of me it pushes me along well in sume good winds , but still forgiving enuf for a good safty margin on solo trips. If I ever get the chnce to get over ther for a chalange I wold definatly youse the cz100 , with its reefing down to 1/3 I think its a good alrounder for sea kayaks and the likes .&#160;</p>
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	I also make up custom sails , talk to eather Dalphin Gall or Kiwi about sails!</p>]]></description>
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			<title>Chief on "Sail area ?"</title>
			<link>http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/sail-area#post-4867</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 16:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Chief</dc:creator>
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	Yes, the area includes all the way out to the edge of the sail with the tubes installed.</p>
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	Yes, the small triangle at the&#160;bottom is included in the sail area.</p>
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	But for sails from PAS, FEKS, BSD, and other sail manufacturers&#160;we accept their published sail area for production sails. So if you buy a 1 meter sail from PAS or FEKS or BSD you don&#039;t have to worry about measuring.</p>]]></description>
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			<title>TwinSpirit on "Sail area ?"</title>
			<link>http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/sail-area#post-4866</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 10:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>TwinSpirit</dc:creator>
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	Hi,</p>
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	I believe this question is for Chief. When measuring sail area on a PAS type sail or a FEKS sail&#160;do you include the section of sail that the tubes side through? Also on the FEKS type&#160;sail is the small triangle at the bottom&#160;included in total sail area?</p>
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	Thanks</p>
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	&#160; Twinspirit</p>]]></description>
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